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This is How I see Orange Pi in Future. How You see it in Future?

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 Author| Post time 2015-3-29 15:18:57 | Show all posts
Edited by OrangePiLinux at 2015-3-29 15:40

Well if look at cnx-software site is possible to notice funny lines:

CX-S806 / CX-S806S technical specifications:
  • SoC – Amlogic S812 quad core cortex A9r4 @ 2.0 GHz with octa-core Mali-450MP6 GPU up to 600+ MHz
  • Video Output – HDMI 2.0 up to 4K2K @ 60 Hz (TBC), 3.5mm AV jack (composite + stereo audio)

Is possible to see that CPU is 4 core Cortex A9 revision 4 ( In RK3188 used A9r3- for example) , but how can GPU be Octa core which is eight cores if at the end of name of GPU here written ---- MP6 ??????  So it means that GPU has only 6 cores??????  Lookes like  manufacturers started to cheat because on site of Amlogic writtten that GPU has to have 8 cores of  Mali450.
Then better to transition to another Chip away from Amlogic--because if there is 8 cores of Mali450--then productivity will be good enough--but if reduce number of cores--productivity of outdated 450 GPU will fall. So I think then is better to have four cores Mali T760 in RK3288--like more wise.

Also--we all know that Chip has HDMI 1.4b--but they written about HDMI 2.0. Horrible. This is what I do not like the most--faulse ads. Like Chines ads always like to write  faulse ads--like for example everywhere 4K, UHD, H.265--and when you start to test it--not even single mark of support for what is written. I understand why is done--in order to sell--but they do not care that customer afterwords will be really upset. Believe me I know what i say--tested CS968 for support of standarts.

But Anyway--Guys do you think RockChip RK 3288 chip will be any cheaper in Orange Pi2 Plus than Amlogic chips??????  I doubt it. All android boxes nowadays with RK3288 on Ebay cost from 70 till 100$.

It is just shame that Allwinner did not create H5 version of chip with quad cores on CPU side and at least quad cores on GPU side--- which could be equivalent by productivity at least to RK3188....


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Post time 2015-3-29 17:20:02 | Show all posts
how can GPU be Octa core which is eight cores if at the end of name of GPU here written ---- MP6 ??????

The explanation is here: http://limadriver.org/Hardware/:
-> The Octa-core Mali-450MP6 GPU has 8 GP (Geometry Processor) and has  6 PPs (Pixel Processors).

Can we compare it with reals cores (6) and threads (8) ?

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 Author| Post time 2015-3-29 20:37:18 | Show all posts
Edited by OrangePiLinux at 2015-3-29 20:57

WEll you are right but not completely. THanks for link. Mali450 has 1 Vertex processor and up to 8 Fragment Processors. It is just architecture of GPU which ARM decided to follow. http://www.arm.com/products/mult ... ics/mali-450-mp.php



But the thing is--does not matter what architecture is-- If they like to count by number of  FRagment Cores--fine--but as far as I understand--in Mali 450 can be only counted FRagment Cores--not VErtex--because there is only one Vertex Core. And if Amlogic site says that CPU has 0cta cores on GPU--which is 8, and when in Advertisment they write MP6--then definately something wrong somewhere...

But the interesting happens when we transition to 600, 700 amd 800 series. Cores become unified and called Shader Cores.  http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-performance-efficient-graphics/mali-t760.php


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Post time 2015-3-29 21:17:11 | Show all posts
Edited by gaara at 2015-3-29 15:29

You're right, even Intel and AMD confuses when we try to compare. For example, the way to calculate PDT for intel and AMD is different, and intel underestimates their values.
So I think it's the same for the others companies, they try to sell 8 cores but in reality it's 8 'pseudo' cores, or worth...
They don't speak about the difference between geometry processor and pixel processors...
It's so technical that customers can be easily dupe !
In your link, they say: Microsoft Windows compliant for Direct3D® 11.1
Does Windows works with a ARM processor ?? Hum... not I know.
The same, Open GL ES is not Open GL.

It could be cool that we know a little what is the think of Steven about this, and what should be his personal preference for the future CPU/GPU of Orange Pi Plus! (without necessarily reveal precious secrets :p)
Post time 2015-3-29 21:48:39 | Show all posts
If Orange Pi 2 plus use RK3288 with 2GB DDR and 8GB EMMC flash.  How much Orange Pi 2 plus has?
Post time 2015-3-29 21:49:25 | Show all posts
Wifi and bt onboard.

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 Author| Post time 2015-3-29 22:01:47 | Show all posts
Edited by OrangePiLinux at 2015-3-29 22:06

Sound awesome to me specs of future board--I think 2GB is already really essential. Wi-Fi, BT and RK3288--dream of every enthusiast.

I just wonder--when it will be ready--lets say in month or two--How do you think--how much it would cost? How much would add to cost Case and PSU ?  Would it have Cooler on CPU by default or will be necessary to buy separately?


gaara replied at 2015-3-29 21:17
You're right, even Intel and AMD confuses when we try to compare. For example, the way to calculate  ...

Agree--sounds kind of like weird to hear that ARM CPU can support Direct 3d. But actually since lately I heard that AMD CPUs deployed in its architecture ARM a5 cores for security trusted zone and since the latest news that Intel Atom CPUs will have as GPU Mli400 cores---I do not wonder anymore to anything....
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Orange Pi 2 Plus  SPEC:   1.  RK3288    2. 2GB DDR  3. 8GB EMMC flash  4. wifi/bt  AP4335  5. VGA  6. SATA  7. Giga Ethernet  8.  4 port usb host  9. HDMI 2.0. 10. LVDS  11. Mipi camera  12.MircoSD

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 Author| Post time 2015-3-29 22:39:25 | Show all posts

t--Sd CArd spec will be SDXC?

Edited by OrangePiLinux at 2015-3-29 22:48

Cool I already want it--will be really awesome machine. What I like the most -- HDMI 2.0. Finnaly 4K60 will become reality. Actually does RK32888 support USB 3.0 natively--just forgot. Probably no--but 2.0 also got alot of power.

Also what interests--- SD Card spec will be SDXC??? So will allow to use SD cards bigger than 32GB in size?

LVDS means DSI interface for connecting LCD Touch SCreen Displays like in Tablets?

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Post time 2015-3-29 22:45:00 | Show all posts
Wow
Thanks Steven for this scoop !
I imagine the price will reveal later... when the time comes... Please, not more than 65$ !!
Another thing: is a battery interface will be planned or I can say goodbye at a battery saver app ? :p
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